There was recently an episode of Dr. Phil show in which he brought a girl that was accused of being a liar and who also did deceptive things like changing the value of a check and also lying to her brother that their father has died. However, haven to earth sounded to me closer than that girl to the mothers of the two girls I spoke about earlier. That seems very clear considering that what she did cannot be in any way compared to a parent accepting living with the repetitive molestation of the daughter. But I was not only speaking from that side of comparison. I was also comparing the behavior of this girl to that of the mothers there. Unlike the behavior of the two mothers there, the behavior of this girl sounded to me as being very far from what I may describe as psychotic deception. Why? Simple, look at how she put the inside psychology of her for the discussion. In contrast the behavior of the two mothers was almost entirely outwardly intended to influence the outer world and away from their own psychology inside. In my view, the girl showed a personality that, although may do bad deceptive things, her deception ,while seems to be neurotic, is not a the kind I may describe as psychotic deception because it seems to be a deception IN the world in contrast to how the behavior of those two mothers sounded to me as a deception ON the world.

Also, a little harsh or rude behavior , while bad in itself , could be a good sign that suggest more than an attempt just to display what fits the outside world while avoiding going through the self as much as possible inside.

By the way, the connection between her failed relationship and her telling her brother that their father has died could suggest that her case could be easy to an analyst following the original Freudian path (because Freud allowed any analysis that depends on the phenomena of resistance and transference to be called Psychoanalysis so I sometimes try to be more specific) and could be even more so if one knows what happened to the mother's place in the family.      

"without makeup" -2

Notice that I was not criticizing or responding to those who show such pictures as this is how the person looked at some time and during which she was not wearing makeup. My post was about using these pictures to insinuate how that person would generally look without makeup and in turn making the claim that her good look in general belongs externally to applying the makeup and not her own existence. It is troubling because it shows that the problem in dealing with the existence of women has even reached the level of denying physical attributes. 

These insinuations many times make sense like that of someone showing pictures of good tennis players miss using their hands and dropping things in order to suggest that their good tennis playing belong to the rackets they hold instead of the racket being an extension that depended on the capabilities of the player. That is in addition to the difference that a tennis player cant play without a racket while makeup may be applied just as an addition instead of for the purpose of correcting anything. But you wont see such insinuation applied there not just because it is a far fetched idea or the difficulty in executing it but also because tennis players are not the target of common habit of having their existence fought as the other target here.   

"without makeup"

I don't like this war on the existence of a person I see that generally attributes the difference between how a woman look to the makeup. It is really puzzling how much some humans can deny clear facts in front of them making such claims and how much others choose to follow blindly. As if men's look do not vary. And if the reason is the makeup why don't those making such claims try to color the without makeup pictures and see if they will look as good as the one with? 

The evidences against such claims are overwhelming if one chooses to really see. And to demolish this dilution even further

let me tell those making such claims that many of those who are classified to have a high degree of good looks can appear, without any change in makeup or hear cut or facial hair, in a way that would make you think that they should win a big look contest and also they can appear looking in a way that would make you think they shouldn't be allowed to participate in any. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those people know that about themselves but they don't speak about it (Although that "can" here actually reflects a disability that came from the loss of the self). 

Yes there are some makeup experts who can do things similar to those we see in the games that deceive our senses but that is very seldomly the case with those claims. 

     

Those who preferred the sewer- 7

It is funny for me to see how this hedge fund guy sank here when in serving my first complaint I thought that he wont lower himself or let those with him lower themselves to the level of  running away and hiding themselves to avoid service like some common thugs and was surprised when he did.

It also appears that he follows his desire to be overpowering and in control, with others often being used or sacrificed for the satisfaction of this desire in disguise, and may confuse that with dignity and self respect.   

Those who preferred the sewer- 6

Notice that like how a doctor deal with low level issues for a real purpose, my talking and analysis for the reactions and behavior here does not mean that I lowered myself to the level of these actions. That is true to the level that this behavior affirmed a theory I had and thought I am just pleasing myself at the time then even went beyond my expectations in doing that and/or into other domains.

It might also be good to mention that my analysis and reaction to the behavior I saw here wont be affected by how much you try to do what you may think as balancing to what I am talking about here by pointing out or revealing bad things in yourself ,or even worse, in others. So don't do that for that purpose because it is not needed and wont make any difference.   

Those who preferred the sewer- 5

If this is the kind of reaction I face for this but I was still brought to the forefront instead of the victims for my talking about the guns issue then that shows to what level the victims and the issue are far from being taken seriously here. In other words, if this how the balancing of the self goes with  an issue like this, how much is it probable that the reaction to me for my talking about that was sufficiently balanced by real attention and concern for the victims and issue itself and was not itself an attempt to run away from the issue? It is this realization that ended my already very little hope that I myself was not being used as an excuse for avoiding the issue I talk about and made me write those posts on that board not because I suddenly decided to embarrass myself and be rude for no reason.